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controversial bill here in California a

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b-29 for three has passed the California

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Senate one more trip to the assembly and

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then a likely signature from Governor

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Jerry Brown it's all about religious

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freedom and we'll talk to a vocal critic

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of this legislation which is on the eve

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of passage as we continue morning answer

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for a Monday it's 8:30 talk once again

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here briefly to an old friend of the

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morning answer an even older friend of

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mine who you guys work together at the

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other station well it turns out we

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didn't work together but turns out I

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know followed each other closely he told

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me on the air last time he's on that I

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did a show and with the great Louie

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Anderson and I left the show and Jim

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we're not gonna talk about why I left

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the show okay let's leave it had nothing

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to do with gee had nothing to do with

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Louie agreement you had to find that's

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right we can't talk about called an NDA

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he's the new Omarosa actually right

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right I don't think I had to sign a

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group but nothing do with Louie Anderson

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I love Louie Anderson so when I left the

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show casino talk where Louie would talk

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about odd you've never been to a casino

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before Bryan dig deep to do that show I

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had no personal experience to draw from

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Anderson he would talk about blackjack

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and slots and Vegas I love to gamble so

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after I exited the program Jim Breslow

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came along and he was so we have a

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kindred spirit here I love it

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Jim is now doing a great podcast called

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the hidden truth it's a podcast series

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and you dive into things like the

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shooting in Las Vegas and there's a

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conspirator I sense I haven't heard the

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podcast forgive me my friend but I'm

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certainly gonna hear it

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I get the sense of sort of a conspiracy

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kind of vibe on the podcast but but but

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is that true quickly in 10 second well

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because of Las Vegas shooting subject

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there's lots of conspiracy theories

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regarding a Las Vegas subject so we got

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a lot of people following that show that

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we're really wondering what really

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happened here what was behind this you

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know what we see does not appear to be

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matching what we're hearing the subject

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matter brings under conspiracy element

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probably right show by any stretch okay

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Jim Breslow thanks for the distinction

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my friend it's called the hidden truth

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podcast and Jim's a very talented guy

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and very funny and entered

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guy and it's if you're a podcast

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listener hidden truth is one you should

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check out because I think Jim will and I

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know he'll Entertain You for sure he's

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back on the mornin answer to talk about

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something we've been talking about on

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this program for months now a b-29 43

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California Assembly Bill two nine four

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three which has to do with religious

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freedom and we'll talk about some of the

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components of religious freedom that

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critics and supporters believe will be

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impacted by the passage of this bill now

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suffice to say since the last time we

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talked a couple of things have happened

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the bill has passed the California

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Senate previously it passed the assembly

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here's the timeline a b-29 43 goes back

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to the assembly it's just protocol

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procedure goes back to the assembly and

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likely they they greenlight it one more

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time and then boom it's on the desk of

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Governor Jerry Brown who's given an

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indication Jim Breslow and of course my

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partner Jennifer that he will sign this

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legislation Jim what is the most

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disturbing element be specific the most

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disturbing element of this California

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assembly bill that makes you such a

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vocal critic yeah for me it's not

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necessarily about religion it's about

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personal freedom about having your the

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choice to make their own decisions

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regarding how you live their life and

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what treatment you choose to seek so

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basically this will shut down an adult's

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decision that he wants to go seek

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treatment for unwanted feelings of of

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attraction to the opposite sex or

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unwanted transgender feeling so it's

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okay if you want to go to see a

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therapist to affirm your transgender

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feelings it's okay to get drugs and

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surgery for your transgender but it's

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not okay to seek counseling regarding

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your transgenders well yeah and that's

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okay but the counseling you're referring

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to just point of fact correct me if I'm

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wrong the counseling you're referring to

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is paid counseling even if it's ten

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dollars to keep the lights on from a

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minister from a religious person there

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there is a difference in content the the

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content of the counseling from a faith

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leader will be

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different from the content of counseling

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from a science-based therapist well

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again you're not allowed to go to any

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type of therapist on this it's really

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not religious based but if you happen to

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want to go for religious reasons and it

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in seek their business you're not

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allowed and what more denial of

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religious freedom is that it's that for

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religious reasons you don't want your

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look to leave your life as a homosexual

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or as a transgender person because you

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think it's against your faith I agree

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with you yeah Jim I agree with you I

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believe in the First Amendment I'm a

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proud liberal and I believe in religious

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freedom if an adult person I'm not

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talking about dragging your ten year old

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to your minister to talk about his or

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her or your 15 or 16 year-olds

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preferences in terms of intimate

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relationships I agree with you I believe

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I believe in religious freedom if an

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adult person wants to go see their

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pastor their rabbi whomever it is a

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faith leader to have counseling on on on

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issues of a sexual nature and this is

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what we're talking about we're all

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adults here I would see no reason in

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America why that should not be but in

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California the state of California now

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says that in most likely Governor Brown

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I think Jim you'll agree is expected to

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sign this he said that he said as much

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that he would sign this and I think a

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lot of critics of this are using fear

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tactics Jim and I'm interested in

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getting your take on the other side

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they're calling this conversion therapy

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and when I hear that I think when

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anybody hears that naturally you think

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of somebody putting like a helmet on you

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and zapping the homosexuality out of you

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that's not the case here these are

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people who are willingly wanting to

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pursue counsel for feelings that they

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don't feel that they're confused about I

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mean they're just having confusing

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feelings and you can't go talk to a

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clergy member or someone a therapist and

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pay for this if you're having these

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feelings don't you think that there's a

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lot of fear being used by the other side

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here Jim absolutely yeah we're talking

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about electric shock therapy talking

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about shame therapy these are therapies

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that are already not permitted in the

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state of California we our most recent

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guest was one of the leading experts in

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providing this therapy and what the

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therapy really goes to is

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it looks for childhood trauma and what

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they have found uniformly with the

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people that come in

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watching therapy is they go in and in

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each case they found that some type of

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childhood trauma that has been the

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driving factor for this and look experts

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most experts say that it's a combination

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of nature and nurture whether you're

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talking about homosexuality or

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transgender

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there's there's no evidence that you're

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born this way if it were conclusive

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evidence that you're born this way then

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oh then perhaps the therapy should be

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permitted but leading experts say it's a

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combination of nature and nurture in the

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nurture side of it usually happens at a

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very young age and that's what this

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therapy uncovers we're talking about

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California Assembly Bill two nine four

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three passing the Senate going back to

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the assembly and then to the governor's

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office I'm gonna spice it up here in the

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minute and a half we have remaining I'd

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say to you first my friend I have two

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quick points and then somebody will have

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the last word because I don't need the

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last word you to you Jim I would say my

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friend I don't know one person and I'm

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sure and I doubt you know one person who

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would choose to live a life that is

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ridiculed who would choose to live a

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life that is that has been historically

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persecuted I don't know anyone who would

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choose to live a life that makes you the

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butt of jokes in locker rooms and in and

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in boardrooms across America I don't

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know anyone who would choose that

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lifestyle I'll say that and then I'll

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ask a question and then Jim you and

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Jennifer have the final exchange here

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I'll be quiet

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the Jennifer mentioned fear and there

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seems to be fear of this bill passing

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and there is fear I think there is fear

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that religious freedom will be taken

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away from Californians and I appreciate

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that and that's why I stand in

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opposition certainly of that component

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of this bill but you want to talk about

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fear if you're going or sending a loved

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one to a faith leader or to a therapist

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or to a psychiatrist to make you no

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longer be gay if if Society has

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pressured you as a lesbian woman to go

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see a professional to talk the lesbian

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out of you boy that sure is in dick

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of a society that fears gay people is

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there people that are choosing to go

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this is not about you sending your uncle

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or whoever these are about people who

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are making choices and they're confused

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and I'm saying they want to seek counsel

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and I'm saying the compelling reason is

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that we live in a society that's still I

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think our conversation here demonstrates

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that there is still a healthy fear of

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men attracted to men and women attracted

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to women I also disagree why why would

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there be a cottage industry to convert

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them if everybody was just fine with

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their preference and I want you to be

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able to chime in on this but I would

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just add in here simply that I know a

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lot of kids who are now very happy who

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choose to identify something other than

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a heterosexual or even gay they choose

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to either identify as transgender or

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pansexual that's something new and I do

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think that that's actually celebrated

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now more than anything I don't think

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it's feared especially in California

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you're researching it what do you think

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well and I would add that you're right

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it's not a choice but what they are

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discovering is that things that happen

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childhood trauma can drive sexual

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finding a direct connection between them

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so they can go back and heal childhood

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traumas and it has the effect of

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affecting their sexual orientation or

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their gender identity and they want to

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get that treatment that absolutely

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should be permitted I remember the days

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when we used to say it's a free country

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well it's Jerry Brown Sciences bill he's

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confirmed 100% it's no longer free

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country she's a 60s liberal he needs to

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prove that he's still a liberal Jim

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breslow freedom not just religious

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freedom okay Jim Great Creator host of

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the weekly hidden truth podcast series

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Jim Breslow is a great guy very talented

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guy be sure to check out the hidden

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truth podcast series thanks for being

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such a resource on a b2 943 I know we'll

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talk to you again as this bill gets

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closer to Governor Jerry Brown's desk

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hope you have a great day my friend and

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we'll talk real soon

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thank you appreciate it good to have you